2007-08-05 23:11:56
来自: 心颜❤
(i want you want me)
The Life of David Gale / 大卫·戈尔的一生的评论
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这是DG还在做大学教授时的授课内容,非常精彩,于是听写下来了.
可能回有微小错误,请见谅.
You get the Kang’s points. Fantasies have to be unrealistic because the moment the second that you get what you seek you don’t, you can’t want it anymore. In order to continue to exist, desire must have its objects perpetually absent. It’s not the “it” that you want; it’s the fantasy of it. So desire supports crazy fantasies.
This is what Pas means when we say we are only truly happy when daydreaming about future happening. Or why we say “the hunt is sweeter than the kill.” or “be careful what you wish for.” not because you’ll get it, because you do not to want it once you do.
So the lesson of The Kang is “living by your wants will never make you happy.” what means to be fully human is to destrive to live by ideas and ideals. And not measure your life by what you tame in turns by desires but those small moments: so integrity, compassion, rationality, even so sacrifices.
Because in the end the only way we can measure the significances of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.
The Life of David Gale / 大卫·戈尔的一生的评论
4
这是DG还在做大学教授时的授课内容,非常精彩,于是听写下来了.
可能回有微小错误,请见谅.
You get the Kang’s points. Fantasies have to be unrealistic because the moment the second that you get what you seek you don’t, you can’t want it anymore. In order to continue to exist, desire must have its objects perpetually absent. It’s not the “it” that you want; it’s the fantasy of it. So desire supports crazy fantasies.
This is what Pas means when we say we are only truly happy when daydreaming about future happening. Or why we say “the hunt is sweeter than the kill.” or “be careful what you wish for.” not because you’ll get it, because you do not to want it once you do.
So the lesson of The Kang is “living by your wants will never make you happy.” what means to be fully human is to destrive to live by ideas and ideals. And not measure your life by what you tame in turns by desires but those small moments: so integrity, compassion, rationality, even so sacrifices.
Because in the end the only way we can measure the significances of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.
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2007-12-04 09:23:00 [已注销]
拉康哲学的重点…幻想必须超越现实
因为在你到手的那一刹那…
你没办法也不会再想要它
为了继续存在…
欲望的客体必须永远无法达成
你要的不是“它”本身，而是对“它”的幻想
欲望与疯狂幻想相辅相成
这正是巴斯可所谓的真正的快乐…
来自对未来快乐的白日梦
不然我们怎么会说“猎比杀更为有趣”
或“小心你许下的愿望”
不是因为你会得到它
而是因为一旦得到它，你再也不会要它
所以拉康给我们的教训是…
心想事成的人绝对不会快乐
最符合人性的真谛是…
尽力活在你的想法和理想中
不要依据你达成…
多少欲望来衡量你的生活
而该以获得多少真诚、怜悯、理性，甚至自我牺牲的时刻…
来衡量
因为到头来…
衡量我们生平轻重的唯一标准…
取决你如何看待他人的生命
2008-03-29 12:08:20 [已注销]
厉害，我还想再听一遍，楼主居然写下来了2008-04-12 18:24:23 双井智人
西方的电影因为哲学而深刻2008-08-27 12:26:45 SweetPoison
拉康, Lacan, instead of the kang...2009-05-18 17:03:30 Sun
yo听写下来，lz真棒
2009-07-31 20:24:43 烂掉的榴莲Jean
很不错的一段话2009-10-12 23:06:02 小CA
这段真的很fancy！2010-01-03 04:51:33 [已注销]
我也喜欢这一段2010-02-22 09:47:06 zoe
m2010-03-19 00:05:34 小骷髅需要人工智能+
M2010-03-27 01:32:36 Maverick
m, too.2010-06-05 20:11:13 靜
记号，吸引人的一段2010-06-13 16:57:28 Parker
帕斯卡2010-08-10 00:57:35 [已注销]
我怎么感觉叔本华也是这观点....2010-08-11 20:38:12 nut84
收藏了！\(^o^)/~2010-11-07 19:45:37 何小虎
wonderful2010-12-08 14:12:09 小北
是的，我看这一段的时候也是被吸引了2011-01-19 15:15:08 小樱
我也很喜欢这段话，其实david的这堂课，我觉得非常重要，这段话其实直接就揭示了故事的结局。个人认为，导演和编剧应该把这段再隐讳一些，把线索弄淡，这样结果才更让人震惊和唏嘘2011-01-21 10:37:10 偏水瓶双鱼君
M之，藏了~谢LZ2011-02-04 23:01:00 兔纸不吃肉
这段话就是整个故事的主导线~！收藏~！2011-02-15 17:44:40 无限延长的哇邦戈
喜欢这段......2011-03-10 19:26:30 基督山伯伯
原来埋下伏笔了2011-04-04 14:25:31 Linus
殉道宣言2011-05-18 21:47:51 女尸
第二段，是Pascal而不是Pas2011-05-18 21:51:31 女尸
You get Lacan's point.Fantasies have to be unrealistic, because the moment, the second, that you get what you seek, you don't, you can't want it anymore. In order to continue to exist; desire must have its objects perpetually absent. It's not the "it" that you want, it's the fantasy of "it". So desire supports crazy fantasies.This is what Pascal means when he says that we are only truly happy when daydreaming about future happiness. Or why we say the hunt is sweeter than the kill or be careful what you wish for, not because you'll get it, but because you're doomed not to want it once you do.
So the lesson of Lacan is "Living by your wants will never make you happy". What it means to be fully human is to strive to live by ideas and ideals and not to measure your life by what you've attained in terms of your desires, but those small moments of integrity and passion, rationality, even self sacrifice. Because in the end, the only way that we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.
2011-06-03 16:43:10 十个海子
m2011-06-07 00:03:37 guoguobaba
很震憾2011-06-23 23:58:09 宫主
binggo!2011-11-04 00:41:35 dromomania
我也听写下这段话了2011-11-30 15:48:09 爱呼吸的神经元
高度高度！！貌似认为这些话是主导线的同学还没有点破。gale的天才，天才在哪里？他说了猎杀比杀死有趣，而他的死正是他猎杀路上的高峰，他就是那颗即将命中猎物的子弹，他的死即爆破，只剩下飞速的弹头。他不用去面对后期的现实，废死还是不废死。虽然结尾的电视镜头从州长嘴里道出了这件事的影响之小，但至少gale在子弹爆破中完成了自己的生命。他的生命刚刚结束，而一次狩猎才正式开始。做子弹的乐趣远远大于猎人。因为在射死猎物之前自己就先爆破。在死亡时刻想象着99%的胜利。还有1%就是unrealistic。2012-02-09 21:22:11 哀郢
1、大卫戈尔是废除死刑组织中重要的一员，有影响力，所以选择大卫戈尔。2、大卫戈尔生活美满，有一个他爱的妻子，还有一个非常喜欢的小儿子，且有自己的理想，物质生活、精神生活双丰收。所以大卫戈尔不可能就范。
3、搞臭大卫戈尔，让他失去一切。这时候策划了第一个波林的强暴案。所以波林会对大卫非常内疚。波林可能也是组织的一员。
4、通过整个事件的策划者康丝坦斯让大卫戈尔重拾信仰，告诉大卫戈尔计划。
5、这时大卫戈尔只能配合了。因为他想要挽回在小儿子心中的印象，这也是他最后的机会，也是最后的要求。
6、这之后就是简短的谈判过程。包括后来出现的钱。
7、还需要一个人揭发这一切，选择谁呢？这个人要有名，有原则，有正义感，不能是组织的人。还有一点-善良。
8、选择了贝西。当然过程中要有人给贝西提示，比如开始的贝西的同事胖黑女人说大卫可能是无辜的，跟踪的牛仔，之后的部分录像带等。
9、之后就按计划好的运行。
10、还有一个问题，就是大卫知道这一切都是别人策划的么？我认为开始不知道，后来在狱中的几天可能想明白了。
11、也许死亡是个礼物。但是大卫还是对记者抱有最后的希望。24小时没能挽救大卫····哎。
12、一个要废除死刑的人最后死于死刑。大卫戈尔只是这场政治斗争中的可怜虫而已。
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