看到很多说是深陷酗酒和赌博。先说酗酒,很多喝酒镜头,但并没有出现过保罗醉酒的镜头。其次赌博,欠赌债,但完全没到要命的地步。首先,他有份正式工作(不错的工作,也比较努力),有偿还能力,可以慢慢还。再从露露那角度来说,你会杀掉欠你钱的人吗?对方只是不让他参加赌局,也没天天追着要债。虽然有喝酒赌博被杀的可能,但我觉得可能性不大。
比较大的可能性应该是因为矿厂报导触犯了他人利益而被杀。首先,多次提到矿厂报导,提到报社老板接到威胁电话让他停止跟进,但似乎保罗不已为然,而且应该是一直在偷偷跟进,有三个细节表现:一是,杰西谈到这个话题的时候他明显回避,先是装没听清,后面直接说想跳舞打断了对话。二是,父亲让他说新闻的时候,没什么重要新闻,甚至连小新闻都少,不禁想那他天天在忙的是啥。三就是,最后一次找他的时候他没在报社赶稿(说是报社不适合赶稿工作?) 而且最后,父亲追问哥哥细节的时候,说是右手被打折,大伙有没有意识到这是写作的手,而且谁这么恨他,杀他前要先打折他的手。所以我觉得很大可能性是因为报导而被杀。
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对啊,每次听到别人说他是被债主,因为赌博,就会很心痛。“他是飘游在大地之上,不受任何牵制,像件艺术品”怎么可以因为尘世的债务关系而陨落凋亡
还有一个人,说是他们的cousin,下面是他的回复。根据他所说,现实生活中 Norman 把Paul 带到了芝加哥,Norman 是在芝加哥被杀害的。但是在Norman 写的小说中,弟弟说:I will never leave Montana. 应该是Norman 希望发生的样子,他对于把弟弟带到芝加哥然后弟弟被杀这件事一直感到深深的愧疚,所以在小说中做了这个处理,以使自己得到稍许宽慰吧。下面是原文:
Andrew KellyJune 9, 2016 at 11:37 PM (http://ellenbaumler.blogspot.com/2012/07/paul-macleans-unsolved-murder.html)
Hi Ken;
I am Norman Maclean's cousin from Canada and I think I can help you about why Paul was killed in Montana instead of Chicago in the book and movie.
1) Norman did have regrets in bringing Paul to Chicago because of his behavior and attributes he brought along with him.
2) Norman was most likely writing about in some cases an apology for about Paul's death, in some cases the emphases on words etc.
3) Norman wrote in the book as well he was killed in Montana. Reasons unknown.
---Hi Andrew,
Thank you so much for your prompt reply from Manitoba. I’m more than happy to have heared from you! You really helped not just me: my wife and a friend of mine, who all are 'haunted' by that movie and the book as well.
In the movie when Norman goes “What do you say? Come with us (to Chicago)”, then Paul replies, “I’ll never leave Montana, brother”. So that scene, now I guess, is a point of frog, how Norman wanted the real life to be. Paul is murdered in Montana later anyway though. I guess I have not been aware enough of Norman’s feeling of regret while watching the movie over and over again. It’s a shame.
Again, thanks a lot. I have been even thinking of planning to visit Lolo Hot Springs, where Paul was supposed to be murdered! Do not worry, thanks to your advice, we love the movie again, feeling like watching it again soon.
Cheers,
Ken
不知为什么心理舒服多了...
分析的很有道理,我看完总觉得哪里不对,你解答了我的疑惑,谢谢!
感觉还有一个地方或多或少有点 不过要反复看才有感觉,大哥去监狱把保罗带回家,警察对大哥说:“你弟弟最近惹事太多,并且在赌场欠了很多钱”。不知道惹的事里面是不是包括追踪矿场的事
分析的很有道理,我看完总觉得哪里不对,你解答了我的疑惑,谢谢!
不知为什么心理舒服多了...
对啊,每次听到别人说他是被债主,因为赌博,就会很心痛。“他是飘游在大地之上,不受任何牵制,像件艺术品”怎么可以因为尘世的债务关系而陨落凋亡
很喜欢这个分析,比赌博被杀能接受多了
楼主这个分析很有道理。爸爸最后说,虽然完美,仍然爱,也算是误解了他。女主哥哥一出现,对比起来保罗简直就是乖宝宝。
保罗说最后一次钓鱼的前一晚,他没回家,而哥哥找他时,他正在外面赶稿。什么稿子要在外面赶,而且通宵?楼主说得太有可能了。
从一个网站上看到当年住在Paul 被打死的那个building 隔壁的人讲述当年发生的事情。简而言之,死于被赌徒打死是这个人的说法。“Here is what I know, which information I have shared with Norman's daughter who is a well respected attorney here in Chicago. I am 65, and have lived in Chicago all my life, having graduated from Northwestern. When I was 16, my father cautioned me about the dangers of my gambling since he had a friend who was beaten to death for gambling debts. Immediately afterwards, my father started sucking air as if he had said something he had not meant to say. Seven years later I confronted my father about my feelings that he had some deep dark secret in his past. Once again, he looked totally freaked out. (My sister who is a high powered lawyer who has a national reputation came to a similar conclusion.) But my father went to his grave without revealing his secret in part because he quit drinking in 1947 when my sister was born. In 1938, my father lived on the 6400 block of South Vernon in Chicago, which is exactly one full block away from the 6400 block of South Rhodes, which is where Paul was killed. (Only Euclid Avenue is in between.) My father was a wild man free spirit outdoors fisherman womanizer booze hound who was from North Dakota, and he was a Presbyterian. Paul was the same except that he was from Montana. Given that Chicago was (and to a lesser extent still is) a city of neighborhood bars, I would be very surprised if he and Paul did not know each other. (Indeed, what attracted me so much to the movie of "A River Runs Through It," was the similarity between Paul's character and my father's was as to what imagined him as a young man in his twenties. In the movie, Paul is killed in Montana, and only in the past five years did I discover the true facts of Paul's death. It blew me away.”
还有一个人,说是他们的cousin,下面是他的回复。根据他所说,现实生活中 Norman 把Paul 带到了芝加哥,Norman 是在芝加哥被杀害的。但是在Norman 写的小说中,弟弟说:I will never leave Montana. 应该是Norman 希望发生的样子,他对于把弟弟带到芝加哥然后弟弟被杀这件事一直感到深深的愧疚,所以在小说中做了这个处理,以使自己得到稍许宽慰吧。下面是原文:
Andrew KellyJune 9, 2016 at 11:37 PM (http://ellenbaumler.blogspot.com/2012/07/paul-macleans-unsolved-murder.html)
Hi Ken;
I am Norman Maclean's cousin from Canada and I think I can help you about why Paul was killed in Montana instead of Chicago in the book and movie.
1) Norman did have regrets in bringing Paul to Chicago because of his behavior and attributes he brought along with him.
2) Norman was most likely writing about in some cases an apology for about Paul's death, in some cases the emphases on words etc.
3) Norman wrote in the book as well he was killed in Montana. Reasons unknown.
---Hi Andrew,
Thank you so much for your prompt reply from Manitoba. I’m more than happy to have heared from you! You really helped not just me: my wife and a friend of mine, who all are 'haunted' by that movie and the book as well.
In the movie when Norman goes “What do you say? Come with us (to Chicago)”, then Paul replies, “I’ll never leave Montana, brother”. So that scene, now I guess, is a point of frog, how Norman wanted the real life to be. Paul is murdered in Montana later anyway though. I guess I have not been aware enough of Norman’s feeling of regret while watching the movie over and over again. It’s a shame.
Again, thanks a lot. I have been even thinking of planning to visit Lolo Hot Springs, where Paul was supposed to be murdered! Do not worry, thanks to your advice, we love the movie again, feeling like watching it again soon.
Cheers,
Ken
感觉还有一个地方或多或少有点 不过要反复看才有感觉,大哥去监狱把保罗带回家,警察对大哥说:“你弟弟最近惹事太多,并且在赌场欠了很多钱”。不知道惹的事里面是不是包括追踪矿场的事
出来混总是要还的
分析得有道理
咦,我第一遍看就知道是这个原因被杀啊,不明显吗?
你的解释明显有限牵强,不合逻辑。首先,从叙事的先后次序来说,报道矿场的事发生在片中稍早阶段,和结尾保罗被杀从时间线上相距甚远,更像是独立事件。而悲剧发生前,兄弟俩去往“露露”酒店,正是为之后发生的事情做的铺垫。
关于上面提到的第3条,保罗没在报社工作,我认为可能是他的工作受到了赌博的影响。至于片中提到的“右手”细节,我也不十分清楚,可能要到原著中去寻找答案。一个人如果惯用右手,他做什么事情都是以右手为主,不能证明此处是在影射他的工作。
每次重温电影,Paul得死意难平,一个美好而自由的灵魂,如此放荡不羁
松隆子说皮特被熊杀了,但我不记得了
你朋友是不是记错了,皮特是在《燃情岁月》末尾,老年时打猎被熊杀死。
在《四月物语》里,松隆子聊起《大河恋》说皮特被熊杀了,哈哈哈
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