关于《艾米莉罗斯的驱魔》的背景

2008-07-25 15:55:25 鹿

　　资料很详细
　　电影很好
　　其他不便讨论

2008-08-17 14:23:58 lapsus

　　看时就觉得挺特别的有点真实
　　不知道Lucifer他们是不是也袭击不懂英文的人,电影里那教授不是说大多现象都发生在不发达地区么..不知道是因为科学落后还是真的比较神秘..

2008-10-18 08:53:22 りょう

　　谢谢你的资料。
　　这个影片的确震撼到了我。虽然我并不是一个基督徒。
　　

2008-11-20 22:11:44 阿草

　　窘，其实那倒霉孩子那段说自己是谁谁谁的台词很帅气，而且一共用了六种语言。。。（我又要感慨了人类怎么能狰狞成这样）看二楼的还是好好学英语吧

2008-12-04 01:53:49 Sarah

　　看了这个真实的故事之后，楼上的朋友居然还能用如此戏谑的口吻讲话，真是不太理解。我觉得那些台词跟帅气毫无关系，太可怕了……不是人类狰狞，是魔鬼使人扭曲。
　　女孩欣然接受自己毕生受苦的使命，是为了让世人了解那个看不见却真实存在的灵界，如果我们看了之后仍然毫不动容，我觉得她是白白受苦了……

2008-12-04 12:26:20 阿草

　　我真的没有戏谑啊- -而且我是说那演员演得很赞，她说这话时的表情很狰狞，所以感慨“人类怎么能狰狞成这样”……

2008-12-04 14:07:04 Sarah

　　如果你没有看过这个故事的另外一个版本，德国人自己拍的“REQUIEM”，建议找来看看。在那里面，你会更认识她作为一个普通人的形象，如何挣扎在现实与灵界之间，那种可怕而绝望的无助与愤怒，以及最后主人公在信仰里的坚定选择，这一切，让我心生敬畏……

2008-12-04 17:27:17 阿草

　　谢谢你的推荐~~

2008-12-04 19:15:05 羊皮

　　我看过德国那个版本，纪实的味道更多些。

2008-12-05 13:01:51 Sarah

　　德国版本是从一个普通人的视角，从比较理性的、基本没有信仰的角度来拍的。德国版本的优势在于,让人看了不会觉得这个姑娘很异常,感觉她就是像我们大家一样的一个普通人,只是不幸患上了这个奇怪的疾病;然而德国版本缺少这个真实故事的灵魂,美国版本虽有些恐怖,却始终是围绕这个故事的灵魂展开的,就是女孩的信仰和她所经历的我们看不见的灵界里的真实,美国版本最后明确告知她经历这一切的原因,是为了让那些说上帝已死的世人了解灵界的真实存在;而女孩被圣母告知此缘由之后,亦欣然接受了这个伟大的使命。美国版本里的神父也是一个很感人的角色,他不顾自己面临的牢狱之灾,更冒着触犯主教的危险,坚持要求讲出女孩的故事和这一切背后的原因,他如此奋不顾身,也是为要实现向世人做见证的目的,就是见证灵界的真实和上帝的真实。事实上,１９７６年去世的Anneliese的生命,经由这两部电影,今天还在向我们说话和见证,还在履行上帝所托付她的这个伟大使命。相比之下,德国版本前面描述了女孩的痛苦、愤怒与无助，神父的不理解，以及祷告也毫无作用等,最后却突然宣布,她坚定的要走上帝给她的道路,有些突兀,虽然感动却不知其所以然。看了美国版本才终于解开了这个谜。不过，要想了解这个故事的全貌,我觉得还是得两部都看。只看德国版，心里会留下一些疑团；只看美国版，却容易让人视女孩为怪物……当然，最后最好还是来这里再看看羊皮的资料，才能最终彻底搞明白这个真实的故事，谢谢羊皮！（不知道羊皮下面是一只狼还是一只真正的羊？）

2008-12-05 13:31:42 羊皮

　　不知道羊皮下面是一只狼还是一只真正的羊？
　　
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　　翻开皮毛见真章

2009-02-11 01:54:32 优の米浆

　　我曾经问一个朋友她是虔诚的基督徒，我问她为什么魔鬼有时竟然会出现在教堂之中难道他不怕十字架或是基督圣像？她回答我说，因为每个人的心中都有魔鬼，当我们在信仰中犹豫不决质疑上帝时就会受到魔鬼的诱惑。

2009-02-19 15:14:37 Sarah

　　圣经的说法是，“魔鬼遍地游行，寻找可吞吃的人。”我想不是每个人心中都有魔鬼，更准确的说法是，人心容易受到魔鬼的攻击，特别是当我们的心处于极度糟糕的状态时，对于任何外来的攻击，我们的心会成为一个脆弱的、敞开的、不设防的城市，因此很容易成为魔鬼的掳物。
　　圣经说，你要保守你心，胜过保守一切，因为一生的果效，由心发出。

2009-03-28 19:42:23 10 Sec Arthur

　　完了，难道我被魔鬼占有了。。。

2009-08-10 20:55:56 大树

　　很慎人

2009-09-22 22:22:56 蘇。小北

　　谢谢LZ的资料~~
　　第一次感觉到这世间真有邪恶力量的存在，太可怕了。有人说当我们质疑上帝时就会受到魔鬼的诱惑，那如果是没有信仰的人呢？就像有时经历了一些事，而会让我对佛，对上帝产生怀疑，不信任他们的存在还会因此愤怒……
　　片中圣母对emily说，魔鬼是不会离开她的身体了，这就是她的命运。我有点不理解，emily是十分虔诚的，如此虔诚的她上帝怎么会允许在她身上发生如此可怕的事？！上帝真的能庇佑所有相信他的人吗？我不禁疑惑了……

2009-09-26 19:49:55 saya

　　 楼上的，影片中不是有说：为了彰显圣迹。
　　 选择一个虔诚的基督徒，我认为一定程度是因为她能够选择接受这一切，并且承担下来，让魔占据自己的身体得以显现。然后告知世人魔确实存于世上。
　　 另外，楼主的资料应该是德国的事，但美国这事也是真有其事吧。而且据说该墓已经成为众多基督徒的朝圣之地么。德国的那件事我看过相关记录片，说孩子的母亲梦见孩子跟她说自己的身体经年亦未腐烂，于是母亲要求开棺验尸，可是棺开了，却不给一般人看。所以至今不知是否腐烂，然而母亲在看到棺材的那一刻就已经知晓孩子的尸体完好无损，因为棺材外壁的木板上有一个清晰的女体痕迹。妈妈认为这是孩子的告慰和证明。
　　
　　 有关魔，佛教说：人不持戒，与魔无异。各宗教相通，楼上那位的意思应该就是这个。心里魔的种类，楞严经有讲过五十阴魔，这里有法师的讲解：http://www.foyin.cn/article2/1223.htm 。
　　
　　 个人感觉，就像圣母被选为耶稣的母亲一样，她也有被选中的理由咯。

2009-09-27 13:59:11 蘇。小北

　　谢谢LS的告解~~看了你的描述茅塞顿开，理解了不少~~

2009-10-31 12:14:48 在阳光下变态

　　资料很详细。昨晚在明珠台看了，很震撼。对真人真事的电影很有兴趣。

2009-10-31 13:14:44 霹雳婧婧

　　我也是昨天晚上看的明珠台~~，本来不敢看，可是看到驱魔的那场戏，真的 太震撼....................

2009-11-10 22:24:05 张小烦

　　看完之后特别想了解了解基督教！

2009-11-19 16:07:38 cobblestone

　　对真人真事的电影很有兴趣。
　　
　　+1

2009-11-24 23:04:16 头顶蘑菇一大朵

　　信春哥，得永生

2010-01-16 00:18:59 南瓜斯基公爵

　　真牛逼，居然还有小胡子，他咋不给我来个附体涅？

2010-02-04 14:15:15 深白

　　还是有点不敢相信啊，呵呵。

2010-02-24 15:27:25 常减常肥的温绮

　　人家附体也是有选择的，尤其爱选择那种虔诚的教徒，如果诱惑或迫害能让教徒背离原本的信仰，这就是魔鬼对上帝的一次胜利。附那些没信仰的一点意义都没有

2010-04-18 19:56:33 julia

　　我刚看完，觉得挺好看的。恶魔不恶魔的还是让后来去评说吧。。反正不是天使与恶魔吗

2010-04-30 15:28:55 Geographer

　　一个很好的神经病学病例。

2010-05-09 07:03:42 玄武同学

　　觉得lz诡异的文法很有google translate的风格，果不其然。您翻译英文原文好歹要注明出处吧= =

2010-05-11 15:40:15 秤儿

　　同意楼上 标准的google translate 翻译的很莫名其妙。。。

2010-05-15 21:23:14 耳东首长

　　这部电影告诉我们---打官司要找好律师

2010-06-18 22:52:54 幽闭恐惧症

　　好自为知，好自为知吧。。。

2010-09-19 06:05:05 蒙蒙

　　对啊对啊，不引用楼上某位豆友的话了。。。明明就是从wikipedia抄来的 至少注明是从wikipedia引用来的吧。。。

2010-09-23 13:35:28 羽人非獍

　　不错

2010-10-13 13:30:00 [已注销]

　　这片德国版本叫什么名字？

2010-10-29 23:43:57 小巫

　　同问LS

2010-10-30 00:04:06 羊皮

　　德版电影在此。
　　http://movie.douban.com/subject/1796663/

2010-12-20 09:12:41 熙妍

　　其实这片搞得我看完之后吓了好久…还是真人真是…一想到那个emily rose驱魔的时候很有节奏感的说one two three four five six…我就汗毛都竖起来了

2010-12-24 22:27:04 Shock

　　google translate ..

2010-12-28 14:36:24 doublecheat

　　为什么楼主最后要加句“魔鬼是真正存在的”这样的话，明明整篇背景的意思倾向于表述的是一个宗教精神病患者，并且最后教会都承认不是“附体”了，而且花了那么大段在阐述药物作用，所以楼主为什么还要说魔鬼式真正存在的？不一致的说 电影还是很好看的~~

2011-02-17 03:54:11 mochuelo

　　lz文法奇特。。

2011-02-18 10:02:35 [已注销]

　　只想加一句
　　lucifer是堕天使
　　和satan不是一个
　　
　　我看完这片忽然觉得自己很叶公好龙

2011-02-18 11:30:31 Satan退去吧

　　传说除了路西法撒旦还有别的堕天使是不是啊？？？

2011-02-18 14:38:16 [已注销]

　　是啊 还有...
　　具体参考bible或者satan bible...
　　
　　我是叶公好龙

2011-02-18 16:54:03 Satan退去吧

　　楼上的，好的是堕天使啊？
　　
　　我家就有Bible...没认真的好好看过......

2011-02-18 21:58:50 [已注销]

　　总之这俩货不是一个就是了 说错不要介意

2011-02-18 23:38:05 Satan退去吧

　　你喜欢研究堕天使哦？我也喜欢，也很没出息地喜欢研究被鬼附拉，末日，光明会拉等等五花八门的东东～

2011-02-18 23:47:52 [已注销]

　　哈哈我是因为音乐了
　　异教什么的

2011-02-28 12:45:41 蘑菇炖男爵

　　2011-02-18 10:02:35 Devon.Z　　只想加一句
　　　　lucifer是堕天使
　　　　和satan不是一个
　　　　
　　　　我看完这片忽然觉得自己很叶公好龙
　　在Bible中，lusifer和satan是一个人
　　您确实叶公好龙了

2011-02-28 18:44:12 [已注销]

　　ls光看你这lusifer拼得如此寒碜
　　应该说比我还业余吧。。。

2011-02-28 20:39:27 Satan退去吧

　　我看到几种观点，其中一种是说Satan是种职位，类似于天使长，路西法叛变后就成了撒旦了…
　　不要扔鸡蛋，有空可以探讨别的观点～
　　楼上有神论？

2011-02-28 20:45:25 Satan退去吧

　　By the way , 在《圣经》里，撒旦好像可以是一切恶魔之总称～
　　

2011-02-28 22:26:25 [已注销]

　　
　　可是lusifer我不认识
　　别和我较真
　　我说我是叶公好龙 也不想班门弄斧

2011-02-28 22:43:21 Satan退去吧

　　lusifer那个又不是我拼的，那层楼都不是我盖的…拜托楼上的眼睛睁大点！！！！！！
　　

2011-02-28 22:43:45 Satan退去吧

　　lusifer那个又不是我拼的，那层楼都不是我盖的…拜托楼上的眼睛睁大点！！！！！！
　　

2011-03-01 09:35:42 [已注销]

　　我没说你拼的
　　眼睛睁大

2011-03-01 14:26:43 Satan退去吧

　　不好意思～我眼睛本来就小～#^_^
　　这个要去哪里下？

2011-03-01 21:31:22 [已注销]

　　电影么？PPS上就有
　　应该不是阉割的 宗教片很少涉及性吧

2011-03-02 17:22:21 蘑菇炖男爵

　　ls 既然你说了说错不要介意，说说也没有什么不可以吧。再说，这里也没有专业的。

2011-03-02 18:38:50 [已注销]

　　你也叶公好龙 何必说我… 还「您」

2011-03-03 09:30:51 蘑菇炖男爵

　　两个叶公好龙，你认为的“更业余的我”在某一方面纠正了你。哪能说何必呢。。这个必要可以有

2011-03-03 12:23:18 [已注销]

　　纠正你妹… 我没说这个说法的范围 也没提圣经 但确实有把二者分开独立各体的学派 我也没细究过 所以自嘲叶公好龙 你给我来什么劲 再者我建议你别lusifer了 还是luxifa适合你

2011-03-04 15:22:38 蘑菇炖男爵

　　还自嘲呢。。自嘲的真好！你的建议我收下了

2011-03-04 15:25:08 [已注销]

　　对是自嘲 恩好的 不客气

2011-03-04 15:40:49 羊皮

　　3年前写的影评今天还能这么热闹。。。

2011-03-04 16:44:48 Satan退去吧

　　……红火极了……这影评的评论也很精彩……

2011-03-16 13:17:06 wendy

　　Father Moore: Tell me you six names!
　　Emily Rose: [possessed] We are the ones who dwell within.
　　Emily Rose: [in Hebrew language] I am the one who dwelt within CAIN!
　　Emily Rose: [in Latin language] I am the one who dwelt within NERO!
　　Emily Rose: [in Greek language] I once dwelt within JUDAS!
　　Emily Rose: [in German Language] I was with Legion.
　　Emily Rose: [In Assyrian Neo-Aramaic language] I am Belial
　　Emily Rose: [possessed/English] and I am Lucifer, the devil in the flesh.
　　所以她当时体内有6种魔鬼

2011-03-16 14:56:08 [已注销]

　　LS的有价值

2011-03-18 08:10:52 Satan退去吧

　　Cain!!!Judas!!!Lucifer!!!就认识这是三个......

2011-03-24 10:51:13 wendy

　　6個惡魔分別有三個是俯身在尼錄 nero，猶大 judas，和該隱cain身體里的不知名小鬼，剩下三個是惡魔本尊lucifer，legion,和belial。nero 是古羅馬最後一位君主 以邪惡爆瘧出名 在玩樂中羅馬城被他故意用一把火燒毀 電影中emily在房間吃蟑螂被俯身時用拉丁語對神父說 ( ego sum hui intus inhabitat, ego te provoco?) 意思是"我就是當時在nero身體里的惡魔,我挑戰你"
　　　　belial很全的英文解釋 懶得翻譯了
　　　　Other Names / Variants:
　　　　Belial - In Jacobus de Teramo, Das Buch Beliel, this great fallen angel, often equated with Satan, is pictured presenting his credentials to Solomon; also as dancing before the Hebrew king. Paul, in II Corinthians 6:15, asks "What concord hath Christ with Belial?" Here, clearly, Paul regards Belial as chief of demons, or as Satan. In Paradise Lost I, 490-492, "Belial came last; than whom a Spirit more lewd/Fell not from Heav'n, or more gross to love/Vice it self." Later, in Paradise Lost II, 110-112, Milton speaks of Belial thus: "A fairer person lost not Heav'n; he seemed/For dignity compos'd and high exploit;" but hastens to add: "all was false and hollow." "Possibly an old name for Sheol," says Barton in "Origin of the Names of Angels and Demons." In The Toilers of the Sea, Victor Hugo, drawing on occult sources, speaks of Belial as Hell's ambassador to Turkey. [Cf. Mastema.] as in the case of Bileth, it was "only after infinite research," reports Spence, An Encyclopaedia of Occultism (p.119), that Belial was "proved to have been formerly of the order of virtues." (a)
　　　　Belial was one of Satan's most venerable demons. In fact, before the New Testament firmly established Satan as the leader of the forces of evil, Belial had filled the position. In one of the Dead Sea Scrolls, The War of the Sons of Light and the Sons of Darkness, Belial is the uncontested ruler of the dark side: "But for corruption thou hast made Belial, an angel of hostility. All his dominion is in darkness, and his purpose is to bring about wickedness and guilt." Eventually, he moved down in the world, though he still retained his unofficial title as the demon of lies. It was as such that Milton immortalized him in Paradise Lost (Book II):
　　　　"A fairer person lost not Heaven; he seemed
　　　　For dignity composed and high exploit:
　　　　But all was false and hollow; though his tongue
　　　　Dropped manna, and could make the worse appear
　　　　The better reason, to perplex and dash
　　　　Maturest counsels: for his thoughts were low;
　　　　To vice industrious, but to noble deeds
　　　　Timorous and slothful."
　　　　When the notorious mass murderer Gilles de Rais attempted to raise some demons (using the severed body parts of a child he had killed), it was Beelzebub and Belial he was after. (c)
　　　　THE NINETEENTH CHAPTER. 　　
　　　　A descriptive list of the names of the spirits whom we may summon to obtain that which we desire.
　　　　I WILL here give a very exact description of many Spirits, the which (names) either altogether or in part, or else as many of them as you may wish, you should give written upon paper unto the Eight SubPrinces, on the Second Day of the Conjuration. Now all these (Spirits) be those who will appear on the Third Day, together with their Princes. And these (Spirits) be not vile, base, and common, but of rank, industrious, and very prompt unto an infinitude of things. Now their Names have been manifested and discovered by the Angels, and if you should wish for more the Angel will augment them for you as far as you shall wish; seeing that their number is infinite.
　　　
　　　　The Four Princes and Superior Spirits be:
　　　　
　　　　LUCIFER. LEVIATAN. SATAN. BELIAL (f)
　　　　
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　　　　Belial: From Hebrew, BLIOL, = a Wicked One. (f)
　　　　
　　　　
　　　　Beliall. Some saie that the king Beliall was created immediatlie after Lucifer, and therefore they thinke that he was father and seducer of them which fell being of the orders. For he fell first among the worthier and wiser sort, which went before Michael and other heavenlie angels, which were lacking. Although Beliall went before all them that were throwne downe to the earth, yet he went not before them that tarried in heaven. This Beliall is constrained by divine venue, when he taketh sacrifices, gifts, and offerings, that he againe may give unto the offerers true answers. But he tarrieth not one houre in the truth, except he be constrained by the divine power, as is said. He taketh the forme of a beautifull angell, sitting in a firie chariot; he speaketh faire, he distributeth preferments of senatorship, and the favour of friends, and excellent familiars: he hath rule over eightie legions, partlie of the order of vertues, partlie of angels; he is found in the forme of an exorcist in the bonds of spirits. The exorcist must consider, that this Beliall doth in everie thing assist his subjects. If he will not submit himselfe, let the bond of spirits be read: the spirits chaine is sent for him, wherewith wise Salomon gathered them togither with their legions in a brasen vessell, where were inclosed among all the legions seventie two kings, of whome the cheefe was Bileth, the second was Beliall, the third Asmoday, and above a thousand thousand legions. Without doubt (I must confesse) I learned this of my maister Salomon; but he told me not why he gathered them together, and shut them up so: but I beleeve it was for the pride of this Beliall. Certeine nigromancers doo saie, that Salomon, being on a certeine daie seduced by the craft of a certeine woman, inclined himselfe to praie before the same idoll, Beliall by name: which is not credible. And therefore we must rather thinke (as it is said) that they were gathered together in that great brasen vessell for pride and arrogancie, and throwne into a deepe lake or hole in Babylon. For wise Salomon did accomplish his workes by the divine power, which never forsooke him. and therefore we must thinke he worshipped not the image Beliall; for then he could not have constrained the spirits by divine vertue: for this Beliall, with three kings were in the lake. But the Babylonians woondering at the matter, supposed that they should find therein a great quantitie of treasure, and therefore with one consent went downe into the lake, and uncovered and brake the vessell, out of the which immediatlie flew the capteine divels, and were delivered to their former and proper places. But this Beliall entred into a certeine image, and there gave answer to them that offered and sacrificed unto him: as Tocz. in his sentences reporteth, and the Babylonians did worship and sacrifice thereunto. (g)
　　　　
　　　　BELIAL. - The Sixty-eighth Spirit is Belial. He is a Mighty and a Powerful King, and was created next after LUCIFER. He appeareth in the Form of Two Beautiful Angels sitting in a Chariot of Fire. He speaketh with a Comely Voice, and declareth that he fell first from among the worthier sort, that were before Michael, and other Heavenly Angels. His Office is to distribute Presentations and Senatorships, etc.; and to cause favour of Friends and of Foes. He giveth excellent Familiars, and governeth 50 Legions of Spirits. Note well that this King Belial must have Offerings, Sacrifices and Gifts presented unto him by the Exorcist, or else he will not give True Answers unto his Demands. But then he tarrieth not one hour in the Truth, unless he be constrained by Divine Power. And his Seal is this, which is to be worn as aforesaid, etc. (h)
　　　　
　　　　BELIAL
　　　　
　　　　By : Morris Jastrow Jr.
　　　　Gerson B. Levi
　　　　Marcus Jastrow
　　　　Kaufmann Kohler
　　　　
　　　　ARTICLE HEADINGS:
　　　　—Biblical Data:
　　　　In Apocalyptic Literature.
　　　　—In Rabbinical and Apocryphal Literature:
　　　　
　　　　
　　　　—Biblical Data:
　　　　
　　　　A term occurring often in the Old Testament and applied, as would seem from the context in I Sam. x. 27; II Sam. xvi. 7, xx. 1; II Chron. xiii. 7; Job xxxiv. 18, to any one opposing the established authority, whether civil, as in the above passages, or religious, as in Judges xix. 22; I Kings xxi. 10, 13; Prov. xvi. 27, xix. 28; Deut. xiii. 14, xv. 9; II Sam. xxiii. 6. A somewhat weaker sense, that of "wicked" or "worthless," is found in I Sam. i. 16, ii. 12, xxv. 17, xxx. 22. The use of the word in II Sam. xxii. 5 is somewhat puzzling. Cheyne explains it as "rivers of the under world," while more conservative scholars render "destructive rivers."
　　　　
　　　　The etymology of this word has been variously given. The Talmud (Sanh. 111b) regards it as a compound word, made up of "beli" and "'ol" (without a yoke). This derivation is accepted by Rashi (on Deut. xiii. 14). Gesenius ("Dict." s.v.) finds the derivation in "beli" and "yo'il" (without advantage; i.e., worthless). Ibn Ezra (on Deut. xv. 9), without venturing on an etymology, contents himself with the remark that "Belial" is a noun, and quotes the opinion of some one else that it is a verb with a precative force, "May he have no rising." Cheyne ("Expository Times," 1897, pp. 423 et seq.) seeks to identify Belial with the Babylonian goddess Belili (Jastrow, "Religion of Babylonia," pp. 588, 589). Hebrew writers, according to this view, took up "Belili" and scornfully converted it into "Belial" in order to suggest "worthlessness." Hommel ("Expository Times," viii. 472) agrees in the equation Belial = Belili, but argues that the Babylonians borrowed from the western Semites and not vice versa. This derivation, however, is opposed by Baudissin and Jensen ("Expository Times," ix. 40, 283).J. Jr. G. B. L.
　　　　
　　　　In Apocalyptic Literature.
　　　　
　　　　—In Rabbinical and Apocryphal Literature:
　　　　
　　　　In the Hasidic circles from which the apocalyptic literature emanated and where all angelologic and demonologic lore was faithfully preserved, Belial held a very prominent position, being identified altogether with Satan. In the Book of Jubilees (i. 20), Belial is, like Satan, the accuser and father of all idolatrous nations: "Let not the spirit of Belial ["Beliar" corrupted into "Belhor"] rule over them to accuse them before thee." The uncircumcised heathen are "the sons of Belial" (ib. xv. 32). In the Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs, Belial is the archfiend from whom emanate the seven spirits of seduction that enter man at his birth (Reuben ii.; Levi iii.; Zebulun ix.; Dan. i.; Naphtali ii.; Benjamin vi., vii.), the source of impurity and lying (Reuben iv., vi.; Simeon v.; Issachar vi.-vii.: Dan. v.; Asher i., iii.), "the spirit of darkness" (Levi xix.; Joseph vii., xx.). He will, like Azazel in Enoch, be opposed and bound by theMessiah (Levi xviii.), "and cast into the fire forever" (Judah xxv.); "and the souls captured by him will then be wrested from his power." In the Ascensio Isaiæ, Belial is identified with Samael (Malkira [Dan. v.]; possibly Malak ra = the Evil Angel [i. 9]), and called "the angel of lawlessness"—"the ruler of this world, whose name is Matanbuchus" (a corrupt form of "Angro-mainyush" or Ahriman?) (ii. 4). In Sibyllines, iv. 2 (which part is of Christian origin) Belial descends from heaven as Antichrist and appears as Nero, the slayer of his mother. In the Sibyllines, iii. 63 (compare ii. 166) Belial is the seducer who, as the pseudo Messiah, will appear among the Samaritans, leading many into error by his miraculous powers, but who "will be burned up by heavenly fire carried along by the sea to the land [an earthquake?] to destroy his followers," "at the time when a woman [Cleopatra] will rule over the world."
　　　　
　　　　In regard to the meaning and etymology of the word "Belial" there has always been a wide difference of opinion. The Septuagint, in translating it "lawlessness"—ἀνόμημα (Deut. xv. 9), ἀνομία (II Sam. xxii. 5), or παράνομος (Deut. xiii. 14; Judges xix. 22; and elsewhere)—follows a rabbinical tradition which interpreted it as "beli 'ol" the one who has thrown off the yoke of heaven (Sifre, Deut. 93; Sanh. 111b; Midr. Sam. vi.; Yalḳ. to II. Sam. xxiii. 6; so also Jerome on Judges xix. 22, "absque jugo." Belial was accordingly considered the opponent of the rule of God; that is, Satan, or the antagonist of God (see Antichrist). Aquilas (LXX., I Kings xxi. 13) translates it ἀποστασία = sedition, in the same manner that the "nahash bariah," or dragon ( = Satan), is described as the apostate. The various modern etymologies, taking the word as a combination of "beli yo'il" (without worth) (Gesenius), or of "beli ya'al" (never to rise)—that is, never to do well (Ibn Ezra, Lagarde, Hupfeld, Fürst)—are alike rejected by Moore as extremely dubious (commentary to Judges, p. 419). Theodotion to Judges xx. 13, Ibn Ezra (Deut. xv. 9), and so Luther and the A. V. occasionally take Belial as a proper noun. It was Bäthgen (commentary to Ps. xviii. 5) who first translated Belial, "the land from which there is no return," and then Cheyne (in "Expositor," 1895, pp. 435-439, and in the "Encyc. Bibl." s. v. "Belial"). They proved it to be the exact equivalent of the Assyrian "matu la tarat" (the land without return). Tiamat, the dragon of the abyss, having been identified with Satan, thus gave rise to the various uses of the word, and the legends of Belial Antichrist. Baudissin, in Hauck-Herzog's "Realencyklopädie," s. v., still takes a skeptical attitude as to the mythical character of Belial in the Old Testament, without, however, explaining the peculiar history of the word. Compare Satan.
　　　　
　　　　Bibliography: T. K. Cheyne, The Development of the Meanings of Belial, in The Expositor, 1895, i. 435-439;
　　　　idem, in Encyc. Bibl. s.v.;
　　　　Bousset, Antichrist, 1895, pp. 86, 99-101;
　　　　Charles, The Ascension of Isaiah, li.-lxxii. and pp. 6-8;
　　　　Riehm and Hauck-Herzog's Realencyklopädie, s.v. Belial.
　　　　
　　　　
　　　　
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　　　　Belial's Sigil
　　　　Resource List - all entries are taken verbatim from the original source:
　　　　
　　　　(a) "The Dictionary of Angels" by Gustav Davidson, © 1967
　　　　
　　　　(c) "Fallen Angels...and Spirits of the Dark" by Robert Masello ©1994.
　　　　
　　　　(f) "The Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage, Book I, II, & III." Translated By: S. L. Mac Gregor Mathers.
　　　　
　　　　This Adobe Acrobat edition contains the complete and unaltered text of the corresponding sections in the second (1900) edition published by John M. Watkins, London. Prepared and typeset by Benjamin Rowe, December 16, 1998. BEQUEATHED BY ABRAHAM UNTO LAMECH HIS SON. TRANSLATED FROM THE HEBREW. 1458.
　　　　(g) Pseudomonarchia daemonum - Johann Wier (1583)
　　　　
　　　　(h) The Lesser Key of Solomon. GOETIA. Compiled and Translated By S.L. "MacGregor" Mathers. Editing and Additional Material By Aleister Crowley
　　　　
　　　　Legion我不是很了解 legion有可能是聖經中借豬之身襲擊耶穌的惡魔 但如果是這樣不明白他為何說德語 不知道有沒有比較了解德國惡魔文化的高人 求解釋！

2011-03-24 19:01:18 Satan退去吧

　　楼上的评论长…非一般的长…

2011-03-25 02:08:49 wendy

　　哈哈 因為我有惡魔addiction相信神祕學和這世界的另一種possibility！

2011-03-25 06:51:42 Satan退去吧

　　……我有听过一个牧师说过几个被鬼附的人的情况，他们没这些电影里描述的严重。

2011-04-03 20:18:02 我的名字叫小腐

　　关于路西弗和撒旦是否就是指同一个，似乎没有定论。
　　撒旦satan，希伯来文为“抵挡”、“为敌”、“敌手”、“敌对”之意，《圣经》里面提到撒旦是与上帝处处作对的不服从者，《启示录》中的恶魔、古蛇和大龙，赫赫有名的大魔王。民间一直流传着撒旦就是炽天使路西弗的说法。但是，综观圣经，我们发现只提到撒旦是与上帝作对的魔鬼，但并未说明其来龙去脉，只能从一些只言片语大致推测出一些端倪。撒旦究竟是不是堕落天使路西弗？是不是真有一位叫做路西弗的天使堕落过？这位路西弗是否就是炽天使？恐怕一言难尽。《以赛亚书》第十四章有这么一段：
　　明亮之星，早晨之子啊！
　　你何竟从天坠落？
　　你这攻败列国的，何竟被砍倒在地上？
　　你心里曾说：
　　“我要升到天上！
　　我要高举我的宝座在神众星以上；
　　我要坐在聚会的山上，在北方的极处；
　　我要升到高云之上，
　　我要与至上者同等。”
　　然而你必坠落阴间，
　　原希伯来指“晨星”，拉丁语圣经通行本译为光明使者（lucifer），钦定本英译从之。这里原指攻陷耶路撒冷的巴比伦王尼布甲尼撒，后世解作魔王撒旦，或许是因为路10:18 耶穌對他們說：“我曾看見撒但從天上墜落，象閃電一樣。”此外中世纪有一句诗可能就是来源于圣经：...Lucifer, how fallest thee from the heaven.... （路西弗，你如此由苍穹而降）。不过，这里提到的fall可能是'下凡'而不是'堕落'， heaven也可能不是指天堂而是指天空。完全可把这段想做是黎明署光的拟人化。但不知怎的就自然而然地将二者联系在一起。而到了弥尔顿那里，撒旦就已经是不折不扣的堕落天使了。有人认为，根據猶大書9節「天使長米迦勒，為摩西的屍首與魔鬼爭辯的時候，尚且不敢用毀謗的話罪責牠，只說，主責備你罷。」的記載看來，那本為天使長，後因背叛神而成為撒但、魔鬼，牠原先在天使中的等次，比米迦勒還要高。那後來因背叛成了撒但的原天使長，也就是「遮掩約櫃的基路伯」（这里说撒旦原是智天使而非炽天使）。有人认为，撒旦原来是比撒拉弗更高级的十二翼天使。还有人认为，撒但原先身兼先知、祭司、君王三職。但是，也有人认为，路西法本身就不是天使，而是异教神祇，人们便将其与堕天使划上等号，从而又与撒旦相联系。总之，关于撒旦，何者源自圣经，何者取自伪经，何者来自异教神话，何者纯属后世杜撰进而变为传说，何者又是作家的创作想象，的确是个复杂的问题。但是今天，撒旦就是堕天使路西弗，似乎已成为一个“美丽的误会”、一种流行的共识了。
　　
　　
　　
　　

2011-04-03 20:27:41 [已注销]

　　同ls

2011-04-30 07:29:51 铁志

　　 我更喜欢德国的版本，因为它避开了驱魔事件本身所带来的巨大争议，避开了老生常谈的天使与魔鬼，而是用朴质的语言去描述一个小女孩在被社会、家庭、教会的多重不理解与压力下，如何一步步走向绝境。比起被上帝抛弃，女孩被母亲的误解才更让人悲哀，人于人的隔膜也远比魔鬼入侵来的可怕。
　　　　德国版让人为那个小女孩揪心，虽然好莱坞的版本也试图避免沦落为一个简单的驱魔为噱头的商业恐怖片，但是他的手段还是太好莱坞，魔鬼、神秘主义被大肆渲染，在这个版本里小女孩是个脸谱化的人物，只为塑造神父的大义凌然，宗教倾向性太强，和德国版完全没有可比性，我的个人意见。
　　 当然，有一个很大的区别，德国版本的并不是一个恐怖片，好莱坞版本是个典型恐怖片，喜欢看刺激的观众会喜欢美国版，但是德国版的故事更平实动人，而且有很多的留白。
　　
　　
　　

2011-04-30 12:32:40 Satan退去吧

　　楼上的评论一看就像流水线生产似的……

2011-05-25 07:08:58 sybyl

　　没有一个人站在心理学的角度分析么？
　　
　　为什么邪灵偏偏挑中了这个严格的天主教家庭?

2011-05-25 07:21:37 Satan退去吧

　　哈哈，心理学分析不了。这个只能用宗教来分析。现代科学再怎么说，在宗教这一块还是薄弱，即便在无神论统治下也偏薄弱。

2011-05-26 00:44:48 sybyl

　　我怎么觉得象DID啊
　　
　　希望有人来分析下

2011-06-20 20:18:30 AKB48控

　　LSSS 俺刚看完《奉魔之名》，心理咨询师死的很惨。。。

2011-06-26 22:50:53 ilovearg

　　额，前阵子才在鬼话上看了个帖子，东北人讲他亲身经历的邪门事儿，写得不假，看来东西方都有附体跳大神这种事。

2011-07-17 12:21:39 羊皮

　　http://www.douban.com/photos/album/49462926/
　　推荐看这里

2011-07-31 23:37:33 Vrtrahan

　　看看我的ID

2011-08-28 17:59:19 攻守兼备

　　越是虔诚的信仰上帝，相对的也相信魔鬼的存在。反而是无神论者和不可知论者不容易受到魔鬼的诱惑。因为你不信他。

2011-08-28 23:40:35 Satan退去吧

　　非常非常非常地同意楼上。有空我会专门开个相关的帖子。

2011-08-29 00:49:12 AKB48控

　　LSS是虐论，那些被魔鬼束缚的人难道都是基督徒？恰恰相反的是那些对上帝一无所知的人，最容易受到魔鬼的迫害，基督徒都会知道如何远离魔鬼，如何和魔鬼对抗。当然Anneliese Michel是个例外，她绝非一般人，否则不会被撒旦为首的6魔鬼侵入，连神父都无可奈何！

2011-08-29 09:16:16 Satan退去吧

　　我发现佛道盛行之地特别多邪灵。尤其乡下。

2011-08-29 15:21:38 攻守兼备

　　　LSS是虐论，那些被魔鬼束缚的人难道都是基督徒？恰恰相反的是那些对上帝一无所知的人，最容易受到魔鬼的迫害，基督徒都会知道如何远离魔鬼，如何和魔鬼对抗。当然Anneliese Michel是个例外，她绝非一般人，否则不会被撒旦为首的6魔鬼侵入，连神父都无可奈何！
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　　你这是信徒的论调，我不是，所以没有可讨论性。

2011-08-29 15:25:17 攻守兼备

　　我发现佛道盛行之地特别多邪灵。尤其乡下。
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　　没错，因为你不信，同样的情形在你眼里就是另一种解释。科学，或者超自然力。
　　所谓一切即一，心生天下。

2011-08-29 17:13:44 Satan退去吧

　　同样，我也认为气功瑜伽什么的很容易惹到邪灵。

2011-08-30 15:24:55 AKB48控

　　“所谓一切即一，心生天下。"
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　　你先搞清楚谁生的心。。。

2011-08-30 17:39:30 攻守兼备

　　“所谓一切即一，心生天下。"
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　　　　你先搞清楚谁生的心。。。
　　
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　　你的心谁生的我不知道，我的心是我妈生的，这点可以肯定。
　　
　　我没法跟你讨论问题啊，咱俩连世界观都不一样。要讨论得先从有没有上帝说起了。可这问题吧，讨论几千年了，也没个结果。不光没讨论出有没有上帝，还出来那么多个上帝打来打去，我家安拉比你家耶和华强啦，耶稣究竟是不是弥赛亚啦，一神教里连谁是正牌谁是山寨都没搞清楚呢。我可能没那工夫讨论这种问题，

2011-08-30 20:58:20 Satan退去吧

　　楼上是穆斯林？

2011-08-30 22:39:40 攻守兼备

　　- -\\\\\\\\
　　我是怀疑论者。我对宗教信仰以及一切的态度跟电影里最后的态度一样，也许有，也许没有。

2011-08-30 22:42:05 攻守兼备

　　我都那么调侃上帝了，居然被误认为是个穆斯林兄弟。虽然我有回族朋友。

2011-09-03 16:48:35 嬉皮笑脸

　　在1973年的夏天, 她的父母拜访不同的牧师请求驱魔。他们的请求被拒绝并且见意现在20岁的 Anneliese 应该继续医学疗程和治疗。他们解释, 罗马教会对邪灵符体(Infestation)严密地被定义, 并且要直到所有现像出见, 主教决不批准驱魔。这些包括反基督的行为, 用从未学会的语言讲话, 和超自然现像。
　　
　　“ 用从未学会的语言讲话, ”
　　这里在暗示 恶魔附身和中国人所说的撞客的关联咩？

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